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Postby Guntur » Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:50 pm

SESB passing the blame to Petronas: Group

Sandakan: The SESB management should step aside and let others head the team if they cannot think of anything else except the coal option to address the power needs of the east coast, the Sandakan Anti-Coal-fired Power Plant Committee said Wednesday.

"Why is Sabah as a major natural gas producer with a reserve of close to 2 trillion standard cubic ft unable to enjoy the benefits of our own natural resources?" asked Chairman Stephen Wong in a statement Wednesday.

Responding to SESB Managing Director Baharin bin Din's earlier comments, he said: "Why did Baharin rule gas out simply by saying Petronas is 'not willing' to supply gas, as he warned of total blackouts facing the east coast?

"Petronas is being painted as couldn't be bothered or is it just an assumption about Petronas' real position?

"Can they not talk in earnest to expedite a happier solution in response to a dire situation especially paying attention to the voice of the people?" Wong asked.

He said "everybody is wondering the logic of Petronas being able to transfer gas to Bintulu which is 500km but cannot transfer gas to Sandakan which is only half the distance."

"It is very irresponsible for Baharin to erect a dead barrier to all other more eco-friendly alternatives by insisting that coal is the only option, which will subject the people of Sandakan to serious environmental impacts and detrimental health hazards," Wong said.

He said SESB had failed its duty in ensuring smooth electricity supply over the last decade, causing only "hardship, frustration and inconvenience" to the people of Sandakan.

"If SESB had been responsible, they would have come up with solutions to settle power deficiency long ago and not force the people to accept a coal power plant as a purported method to improve supply," he said.

"My advice to SESB is to improve its management and not threaten the people of Sandakan that coal is their only saviour," Wong added.

"If power can be transported almost a thousand kilometres from Sarawak's Bakun Dam to Johor and Kuala Lumpur, we cannot see the problem in transfering power from Kota Kinabalu to Sandakan," Wong added.

"The European Union is building a solar power house in Algeria's side of the Sahara Desert and is transmitting power from Africa to Europe but SESB is telling Sandakan folks that a mere 275km West Coast-East Coast interconnecting grid system which cost RM500m may also risk transmission disruptions.

"Baharin may not know that when the West-East coast grid system was being built, Sandakan people were promised improvement and undisrupted power supply when the grid is finished. Now they say the grid is not good enough and a coal-fired power plant is our only hope."

Wong also called on SESB to disclose the site for the proposed coal-fired plant.

"What is the reason for such secrecy? They should be transparent. The Sandakan people have the right to know and be given the chance to challenge not only the project but also the site if it were found to be a highly environmentally sensitive area," Wong said.


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Re: SESB passing the blame to Petronas: Group

Postby kepalabatu » Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:43 am

a very simple solution. Run the cable from KK to sandakan. What so difficult...money? TMB don't have money..Ask federal goverment to fund this as Sabah deserved to have as west Malaysian have all in their state.
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Re: SESB passing the blame to Petronas: Group

Postby yanakanak » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:47 am

Problem? hmm :hmmm:

driven by greed, mybe
greediness :hmmm:
Selfish desire :hmmm:

well, i said, "maybe".
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Re: SESB passing the blame to Petronas: Group

Postby airbus320 » Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:15 pm

Every major DEVELOPED nation is trying to move away from coal and what are we doing? Trying to spend RM1 billion to build a coal plant..

There is NO SUCH THING as clean coal..and anyone who tells you there is, is talking out of their butt-hole.

There is technology that is still being researched to reduce the amount of emissions from a coal power plant but thus far, it is still under tests and research.

Why on earth did we spend billions on the bakun dam in the first place?

Datuk Leo Moggie is the man responsible for the project in the first place (and it is now a complete failure!) and guess who is head of SESB?

Datuk Leo Moggie.

You wonder who makes all these stupid decisions with NO interest in environmental conservation.
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Re: SESB passing the blame to Petronas: Group

Postby Sepilok » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:04 pm

They should site it at Sungai Kayu, Sandakan.

I know a good location - close to the CM's Istana.
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Re: SESB passing the blame to Petronas: Group

Postby Sepilok » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:11 pm

airbus320 wrote:Why on earth did we spend billions on the bakun dam in the first place?


To make Taib richer?
But obviously it wasn't enough as they want to build a shit load more dams
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Re: SESB passing the blame to Petronas: Group

Postby SandakanRen » Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:39 pm

The idea of a Coal Power Power Generation plant in Sandakan is daft. Sabah owns natural gas which is cheaper than coal. Other countries use coal because they have no gas.

Here we have a project proponent pushing for a coal fired power plant. Maybe proponent has lobang to sell coal from Kalimantan to Sabah. Once a coal fired power plant is built, it can only use coal. The coal seller can laugh all the way to the bank.

It is wrong to use the excuse that Petronas refusal to sell gas to a Sabah city as the reason to abandon gas and use coal. There is a chapter on Project Options. It is necessary to consider the options to build a gas line to the East Coast development sector versus grid versus other fossil fuel from Sabah to be transported via land or sea versus the proponent's preference for coal. The selected option must be based on environmental justification not politics.

DEIA is an important management tool to justify to Sabah State government to plan for a gas line or grid or other fuel source available in Sabah. The DEIA missed a golden opportunity to present a holistic plan to the state government to manage the national petroleum company correctly. The state government has a duty to look after SABAHAN.
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Re: SESB passing the blame to Petronas: Group

Postby Sepilok » Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:01 pm

SandakanRen wrote:The idea of a Coal Power Power Generation plant in Sandakan is daft. Sabah owns natural gas which is cheaper than coal. Other countries use coal because they have no gas.

Here we have a project proponent pushing for a coal fired power plant. Maybe proponent has lobang to sell coal from Kalimantan to Sabah. Once a coal fired power plant is built, it can only use coal. The coal seller can laugh all the way to the bank.

It is wrong to use the excuse that Petronas refusal to sell gas to a Sabah city as the reason to abandon gas and use coal. There is a chapter on Project Options. It is necessary to consider the options to build a gas line to the East Coast development sector versus grid versus other fossil fuel from Sabah to be transported via land or sea versus the proponent's preference for coal. The selected option must be based on environmental justification not politics.

DEIA is an important management tool to justify to Sabah State government to plan for a gas line or grid or other fuel source available in Sabah. The DEIA missed a golden opportunity to present a holistic plan to the state government to manage the national petroleum company correctly. The state government has a duty to look after SABAHAN.


You are right that it is a daft plan to build a coal fire plant in a state with such abundant gas reserves, but I'm sure there is much more to this story i.e. who has the contract to supply the coal, build the infrastructure to bring the coal in etc. The problem is the State government think that the only Sabahan worth looking after are themselves.
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Re: SESB passing the blame to Petronas: Group

Postby airbus320 » Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:41 am

Petronas prefers to sell the natural gas overseas than make life easier for malaysians because they cannot make a bigger profit.

Why do you think natural gas is available in limited petrol stations BUT NOT available in Sabah and Sarawak.

Its politics and the fact we are helping make some politicians and their cronies richer but ensuring malaysians pay through their nose for petrol and diesel.

Our politicians are fast asleep and not bothered. They all talk about making the standard of living for sabahans better and working "hard" to reduce the cost of living with inflation at its highest in 20 years.
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Re: SESB passing the blame to Petronas: Group

Postby mojo » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:54 am

Pemanasan global sudah menunjukkan kesan drastiknya terhadap kawasan Artik. Jelas dari gambarfoto satelit bahawa hari demi hari kawasan ais Artik sedang bertukar menjadi air.

Kawalan pelepasan gas karbon dioksida hasil dari pembakaran bahanapi hidrokarbon sudah menampakkan keperluan yang teramat nyata di peringkat global. SESB harus mencari alternatif lain untuk menjanakuasa elektrik selain menggunakan loji arang batu. Tenaga solar, tenaga nuklear dan lain-lain sumber tenaga yang bersih harus dipertimbangkan oleh SESB.

Pembakaran arang batu untuk menjana tenaga dan kuasa elektrik akan menghasilkan pelepasan gas-gas seperti COx, SOx dan NOx yang sangat menyumbang kepada pemanasan global dalam jangka masa panjang. Sungguhpun loji dipasang dengan peralatan kawalan yang baik, kesan kumulatif pelepasan gas-gas ini ke udarakasa dan kesan kenaikan suhu global tidak dinafikan. Dianggarkan berjuta-juta tan gas ini dilepaskan ke atmosfera dalam tempoh sesingkat setahun. Di samping kesan gas terhadap pemanasan global, pencemaran gas ke kawasan penduduk awam sudah pasti tidak akan tidak pernah berlaku. Kesan lain akibat pelepasan gas dari pembakaran arang batu ialah penghasilan hujan asid yang mampu memusnahkan komponen alam persekitaran sediada.

Terdapat banyak alternatif yang harus dipertimbangkan oleh SESB tanpa mengambil kira kos pemasangan. Pertimbangan terhadap kesan dan impak yang paling minimum ke atas alam persekitaran dalam mendirikan apa-apa peralatan untuk menjanakuasa elektrik oleh pihak SESB harus didahulukan dengan membelakangkan kos-kos pemasangan.

Rasuah adalah musuh nombor satu negara.
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Re: SESB passing the blame to Petronas: Group

Postby Yorut_orut » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:00 am

airbus320 wrote:Every major DEVELOPED nation is trying to move away from coal and what are we doing? Trying to spend RM1 billion to build a coal plant..

There is NO SUCH THING as clean coal..and anyone who tells you there is, is talking out of their butt-hole.

There is technology that is still being researched to reduce the amount of emissions from a coal power plant but thus far, it is still under tests and research.

Why on earth did we spend billions on the bakun dam in the first place?

Datuk Leo Moggie is the man responsible for the project in the first place (and it is now a complete failure!) and guess who is head of SESB?

Datuk Leo Moggie.

You wonder who makes all these stupid decisions with NO interest in environmental conservation.


Ya...apa sudah jadi dengan projek Bakun?? Terbengkalai sudahkah?? :wall:
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Clean Coal Power

Postby PeterSon_12k » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:41 pm

Geen house gasses can be stored in the ground through a technique known as carbon sequestration, according to the National Energy Technology Laboratory. And geologically, Texas is considered a top spot because it has plenty of so-called deep saline formations, which can store hundreds of years worth of the gasses.

Prospects for nearly emissions-free coal fired power plant in the United States have dimmed in the wake of the US Department of Energy’s decision to pull the plug on a “Clean Coal” demonstration plant called FutureGen, observers say.

Follow the Link:lincenergy.us/
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Re: Clean Coal Power

Postby Sepilok » Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:43 am

PeterSon_12k wrote:Geen house gasses can be stored in the ground through a technique known as carbon sequestration, according to the National Energy Technology Laboratory. And geologically, Texas is considered a top spot because it has plenty of so-called deep saline formations, which can store hundreds of years worth of the gasses.

Prospects for nearly emissions-free coal fired power plant in the United States have dimmed in the wake of the US Department of Energy’s decision to pull the plug on a “Clean Coal” demonstration plant called FutureGen, observers say.

Follow the Link:lincenergy.us/


Not sure if you actually exist or are some sort of auto-generated response.

The problem is there are huge energy cost associated with underground carbon sequestration - and they definantly aren't planning to do this in Sandakan.
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Re: Clean Coal Power

Postby mien123 » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:44 am

Sepilok wrote:
PeterSon_12k wrote:Geen house gasses can be stored in the ground through a technique known as carbon sequestration, according to the National Energy Technology Laboratory. And geologically, Texas is considered a top spot because it has plenty of so-called deep saline formations, which can store hundreds of years worth of the gasses.

Prospects for nearly emissions-free coal fired power plant in the United States have dimmed in the wake of the US Department of Energy’s decision to pull the plug on a “Clean Coal” demonstration plant called FutureGen, observers say.

Follow the Link:lincenergy.us/


Not sure if you actually exist or are some sort of auto-generated response.

The problem is there are huge energy cost associated with underground carbon sequestration - and they definantly aren't planning to do this in Sandakan.


:hmmm: agree with sepilok..& do you think SESB afford to BUY that new tech? I dont think so..always look for the lowest budget punya..dont care about the rest.. :blabla:

A bad thing is a bad thing however way you might want to gloss over it or repackage it.

Happy new year!
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Re: Clean Coal Power

Postby Sepilok » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:32 pm

mien123 wrote:[
:hmmm: agree with sepilok..& do you think SESB afford to BUY that new tech? I dont think so..always look for the lowest budget punya..dont care about the rest.. :blabla:

A bad thing is a bad thing however way you might want to gloss over it or repackage it.

Happy new year!


I wouldn't be suprised if his next suggestion is to use the CO2 produced for carbon fertilisation/enrichment of the surrounding oil palm plantations. This would have the added advantage - not only would you reduce CO2 emissions, but you would also increase the plantations productivity.
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