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Apakah perkaitannya 20 perkara dan isu agama di sabah?

Postby Devilex » Thu May 08, 2008 12:02 am

Entahlah, ini adalah pandangan saya, murtad di sabah sepatutnya tak tertakluk kepada hukum mahkamah syariah di semenanjung. sekalipun ada mahkamah syariah di sabah, sepatutnya undang2 dari segi agama adalah berbeza untuk sabah dan semenanjung so, kuasa adalah terletak di tangan orang sabah. ke, 20 perkara hanyalah benda yang mengarut??

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Postby SioKSondri » Thu May 08, 2008 10:14 am

apa ba ni 20 perkara ni? ksi skit info...
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Postby bushido » Thu May 08, 2008 10:42 am

The 20 points safeguards for Sabah

DI BENTANGKAN DALAM BENTUK MEMORANDUM DAN DITANDATANGNI OLEH PEMIMPIN SABAH SEBAGAI PERJANJIAN DALAM PROJEK PENUBUHAN MALAYSIA - KONGSI KUASA KETUANAN TANAH MELAYU, SINGAPURA, SARAWAK DAN SABAH.

1. AGAMA
2. BAHASA
3. PERLEMBAGAAN
4. KETUA PERSEKUTUAN
5. NAMA PERSEKUTUAN
6. IMMIGRESEN
7. HAK UNTUK BERPISAH - tidak berhak keluar persekutuan
8. BORNEONISASI
9. PEGAWAI-PEGAWAI BRITISH
10. KEWARGNEGARAAN/KERAKYATAN
11. TARIF, CUKAI DAN KEWANGAN
12. KEDUDUKAN ISTEMEWA ANAK NEGERI / ORANG ASLI
13. KERAJAAN NEGERI
14. TEMPOH PERALIHAN
15. PELAJARAN
16. JAMINAN PERLINDUNGAN PERLEMBAGAAN
17. PERWAKILAN DALAM PERSEKUTUAN
18. NAMA KETUA NEGERI
19. NAMA NEGERI – SABAH
20. TANAH, HUTAN, KERAJAAN TEMPATAN DAN SEBAGAINYA

The 20 points safeguards for Sabah

1.Religion
While there was no objection to Islam being the national religion of Malaysia there should be no State religion in North Borneo, and the provisions relating to Islam in the present Constitution of Malaya should not apply to North Borneo

2.Language
a. Malay should be the national language of the Federation
b. English should continue to be used for a period of 10 years after Malaysia Day
c. English should be an official language of North Borneo for all purposes, State or Federal, without limitation of time.

3. Constitution
Whilst accepting that the present Constitution of the Federation of Malaya should form the basis of the Constitution of Malaysia, the Constitution of Malaysia should be a completely new document drafted and agreed in the light of a free association of states and should not be a series of amendments to a Constitution drafted and agreed by different states in totally different circumstances. A new Constitution for North Borneo (Sabah) was of course essential.

4. Head of Federation
The Head of State in North Borneo should not be eligible for election as Head of the Federation

5. Name of Federation
“Malaysia” but not “Melayu Raya”

6. Immigration
Control over immigration into any part of Malaysia from outside should rest with the Central Government but entry into North Borneo should also require the approval of the State Government. The Federal Government should not be able to veto the entry of persons into North Borneo for State Government purposes except on strictly security grounds. North Borneo should have unfettered control over the movements of persons other than those in Federal Government employ from other parts of Malaysia into North Borneo.

7. Right of Secession
There should be no right to secede from the Federation

8. Borneanisation Borneanisation of the public service should proceed as quickly as possible.

9. British Officers
Every effort should be made to encourage British Officers to remain in the public service until their places can be taken by suitably qualified people from North Borneo

10. Citizenship
The recommendation in paragraph 148(k) of the Report of the Cobbold Commission should govern the citizenship rights in the Federation of North Borneo subject to the following amendments:
a) sub-paragraph (i) should not contain the proviso as to five years residence
b) in order to tie up with our law, sub-paragraph (ii)(a) should read “7 out of 10 years” instead of “8 out of 10 years”
c) sub-paragraph (iii) should not contain any restriction tied to the citizenship of parents – a person born in North Borneo after Malaysia must be federal citizen.

11. Tariffs and Finance
North Borneo should retain control of its own finance, development and tariff, and should have the right to work up its own taxation and to raise loans on its own credit.

12. Special position of indigenous races
In principle, the indigenous races of North Borneo should enjoy special rights analogous to those enjoyed by Malays in Malaya, but the present Malays’ formula in this regard is not necessarily applicable in North Borneo

13. State Government
a) the Prime Minister should be elected by unofficial members of Legislative Council
b) There should be a proper Ministerial system in North Borneo

14. Transitional period
This should be seven years and during such period legislative power must be left with the State of North Borneo by the Constitution and not be merely delegated to the State Government by the Federal Government

15. Education
The existing educational system of North Borneo should be maintained and for this reason it should be under state control

16. Constitutional Safeguards
No amendment modification or withdrawal of any special safeguard granted to North Borneo should be made by the Central Government without the positive concurrence of the Government of the State of North Borneo

The power of amending the Constitution of the State of North Borneo should belong exclusively to the people in the state. (Note: The United Party, The Democratic Party and the Pasok Momogun Party considered that a three-fourth majority would be required in order to effect any amendment to the Federal and State Constitutions whereas the UNKO and USNO considered a two-thirds majority would be sufficient)

17. Representation in Federal Parliament
This should take account not only of the population of North Borneo but also of its seize and potentialities and in any case should not be less than that of Singapore

18. Name of Head of State
Yang di-Pertua Negara

19. Name of State
Sabah

20. Land, Forests, Local Government, etc.
The provisions in the Constitution of the Federation in respect of the powers of the National Land Council should not apply in North Borneo. Likewise, the National Council for Local Government should not apply in North Borneo.
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Postby SioKSondri » Thu May 08, 2008 10:56 am

fuh.... punya banyak yg sudah di langgar ni...
lebih baik sa siok sendiri ja...
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Postby bushido » Thu May 08, 2008 10:59 am

BN terlibat bersekongkol dengan PTI utk hapuskan hak sabahan
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Postby airbus320 » Thu May 08, 2008 11:10 am

bushido wrote:The 20 points safeguards for Sabah

DI BENTANGKAN DALAM BENTUK MEMORANDUM DAN DITANDATANGNI OLEH PEMIMPIN SABAH SEBAGAI PERJANJIAN DALAM PROJEK PENUBUHAN MALAYSIA - KONGSI KUASA KETUANAN TANAH MELAYU, SINGAPURA, SARAWAK DAN SABAH.

1. AGAMA
2. BAHASA
3. PERLEMBAGAAN
4. KETUA PERSEKUTUAN
5. NAMA PERSEKUTUAN
6. IMMIGRESEN
7. HAK UNTUK BERPISAH - tidak berhak keluar persekutuan
8. BORNEONISASI
9. PEGAWAI-PEGAWAI BRITISH
10. KEWARGNEGARAAN/KERAKYATAN
11. TARIF, CUKAI DAN KEWANGAN
12. KEDUDUKAN ISTEMEWA ANAK NEGERI / ORANG ASLI
13. KERAJAAN NEGERI
14. TEMPOH PERALIHAN
15. PELAJARAN
16. JAMINAN PERLINDUNGAN PERLEMBAGAAN
17. PERWAKILAN DALAM PERSEKUTUAN
18. NAMA KETUA NEGERI
19. NAMA NEGERI – SABAH
20. TANAH, HUTAN, KERAJAAN TEMPATAN DAN SEBAGAINYA

The 20 points safeguards for Sabah

1.Religion
While there was no objection to Islam being the national religion of Malaysia there should be no State religion in North Borneo, and the provisions relating to Islam in the present Constitution of Malaya should not apply to North Borneo

2.Language
a. Malay should be the national language of the Federation
b. English should continue to be used for a period of 10 years after Malaysia Day
c. English should be an official language of North Borneo for all purposes, State or Federal, without limitation of time.

3. Constitution
Whilst accepting that the present Constitution of the Federation of Malaya should form the basis of the Constitution of Malaysia, the Constitution of Malaysia should be a completely new document drafted and agreed in the light of a free association of states and should not be a series of amendments to a Constitution drafted and agreed by different states in totally different circumstances. A new Constitution for North Borneo (Sabah) was of course essential.

4. Head of Federation
The Head of State in North Borneo should not be eligible for election as Head of the Federation

5. Name of Federation
“Malaysia” but not “Melayu Raya”

6. Immigration
Control over immigration into any part of Malaysia from outside should rest with the Central Government but entry into North Borneo should also require the approval of the State Government. The Federal Government should not be able to veto the entry of persons into North Borneo for State Government purposes except on strictly security grounds. North Borneo should have unfettered control over the movements of persons other than those in Federal Government employ from other parts of Malaysia into North Borneo.

7. Right of Secession
There should be no right to secede from the Federation


8. Borneanisation Borneanisation of the public service should proceed as quickly as possible.

9. British Officers
Every effort should be made to encourage British Officers to remain in the public service until their places can be taken by suitably qualified people from North Borneo

10. Citizenship
The recommendation in paragraph 148(k) of the Report of the Cobbold Commission should govern the citizenship rights in the Federation of North Borneo subject to the following amendments:
a) sub-paragraph (i) should not contain the proviso as to five years residence
b) in order to tie up with our law, sub-paragraph (ii)(a) should read “7 out of 10 years” instead of “8 out of 10 years”
c) sub-paragraph (iii) should not contain any restriction tied to the citizenship of parents – a person born in North Borneo after Malaysia must be federal citizen.

11. Tariffs and Finance
North Borneo should retain control of its own finance, development and tariff, and should have the right to work up its own taxation and to raise loans on its own credit.

12. Special position of indigenous races
In principle, the indigenous races of North Borneo should enjoy special rights analogous to those enjoyed by Malays in Malaya, but the present Malays’ formula in this regard is not necessarily applicable in North Borneo

13. State Government
a) the Prime Minister should be elected by unofficial members of Legislative Council
b) There should be a proper Ministerial system in North Borneo

14. Transitional period
This should be seven years and during such period legislative power must be left with the State of North Borneo by the Constitution and not be merely delegated to the State Government by the Federal Government

15. Education
The existing educational system of North Borneo should be maintained and for this reason it should be under state control

16. Constitutional Safeguards
No amendment modification or withdrawal of any special safeguard granted to North Borneo should be made by the Central Government without the positive concurrence of the Government of the State of North Borneo

The power of amending the Constitution of the State of North Borneo should belong exclusively to the people in the state. (Note: The United Party, The Democratic Party and the Pasok Momogun Party considered that a three-fourth majority would be required in order to effect any amendment to the Federal and State Constitutions whereas the UPKO and USNO considered a two-thirds majority would be sufficient)

17. Representation in Federal Parliament
This should take account not only of the population of North Borneo but also of its seize and potentialities and in any case should not be less than that of Singapore

18. Name of Head of State
Yang di-Pertua Negara

19. Name of State
Sabah

20. Land, Forests, Local Government, etc.
The provisions in the Constitution of the Federation in respect of the powers of the National Land Council should not apply in North Borneo. Likewise, the National Council for Local Government should not apply in North Borneo.


Note the highlighted sections. Why are then bouncing around claiming we are an islamic state when the constitution of the state clearly states the opposite?
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Postby Nraviva83 » Thu May 08, 2008 12:13 pm

Napa penempatan sementara pelarian perang dari Filipina sampai skrg masi ada yg belum balik??

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Postby Devilex » Thu May 08, 2008 5:59 pm

entahla, rasanya rakyat sabah memang tak tahu tentang hak2 mereka.
sepatutnya pemimpin yang dipilih tahu camna nak gunakan kebijaksanaan, dapatkan hak rakyat sabah kat perlimen nun, tapi ni tidak. asyik dengan pemikiran kolot, menghina orang kurang upaya serta haid perempuan. what the heck??

berita terbaru tentang convert keluar islam, nampaknya boleh keluar tapi agama kat dalam ic tak boleh ubah pulak. kenapa ye?

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Postby Nraviva83 » Fri May 09, 2008 5:05 pm

tahun 80-an parti pembangkang pernah ingin mengeluarkan Sabah Dari malaysia...
siap ada back up dari USA lagi utk plan tsebut

But dlm parti pembangkang ini ada juga ahlinya yg muslim n Christian
as We all Kno dat Sabah Memang byk Christian

Jadi ntahla mengapa x menjadi Plan tsebut

Khabar2 nya, kalu amerika membantu dan Sabah berjaya Kuar dr Malaysia ia akan menjadi sebuah negara Christian..akhirnya durg jg yg membgkang balik cadangan tsebut

Utk menyeimbangkan kuantiti Muslim dan Christian di Sabah,mereka membenarkan
pendatang dari terutamanya Filipina dan ada jg dari Indonesia yg Muslim
dtg ke sabah dan dgn alasan sbg pelarian perang yg kebetulan berlaku jg pd masa tersebut di beri IC Warga negara..Akhirnya terus menjadi WARGA NEGARA.......
(i heard from a Pal yg bapa dia is 1 of that party's member..but i dont really think it happened)

Moral of the story..Byk agenda politik yg nampak Bersih tp ada udang d sebalik ba2
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Re: Apakah perkaitannya 20 perkara dan isu agama di sabah?

Postby Yorut_orut » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:52 am

The 20 points safeguards for Sabah

1.Religion
While there was no objection to Islam being the national religion of Malaysia there should be no State religion in North Borneo, and the provisions relating to Islam in the present Constitution of Malaya should not apply to North Borneo


gerun juga saya tingu tu tunjuk perasaan di semenanjung (tersiar di tv semalam) membantah keputusan mahkamah tinggi yg membenarkan penggunaan perkataan "Allah" bagi agama kristian.
Kalau perkara begini berlaku di sabah...Sah lah 20 points di atas tiada guna sama sekali pada pandangan islam sabah.
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Re: Apakah perkaitannya 20 perkara dan isu agama di sabah?

Postby v madone » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:56 am

Sabah tidak mempunyai agama rasmi jadi memang budu la kalau drg mau ban ini itu.
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Re: Apakah perkaitannya 20 perkara dan isu agama di sabah?

Postby tiwas » Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:43 pm

v madone wrote:Sabah tidak mempunyai agama rasmi jadi memang budu la kalau drg mau ban ini itu.

betulkah tiada? hmm...sebab
"Keberkesanan dakwah USIA di bawah kepimpinan Mustapha telah berjaya menarik lebih 70,000 orang penduduk Sabah memeluk Islam.

"Sekali gus membawa kepada pengiktirafan Islam sebagai agama rasmi di Sabah, tanpa menghalang kebebasan penganut agama lain untuk mengamalkan agama masing-masing," kata Abdullah.

sumber> http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.as ... =ba_02.htm
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Re: Apakah perkaitannya 20 perkara dan isu agama di sabah?

Postby kApItAn MaNuK » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:18 am

tiwas wrote:
v madone wrote:Sabah tidak mempunyai agama rasmi jadi memang budu la kalau drg mau ban ini itu.

betulkah tiada? hmm...sebab
"Keberkesanan dakwah USIA di bawah kepimpinan Mustapha telah berjaya menarik lebih 70,000 orang penduduk Sabah memeluk Islam.

"Sekali gus membawa kepada pengiktirafan Islam sebagai agama rasmi di Sabah, tanpa menghalang kebebasan penganut agama lain untuk mengamalkan agama masing-masing," kata Abdullah.

sumber> http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.as ... =ba_02.htm


ya..kalo ikut perjanjian 20point islam tida diiktiraf sebagai agama rasmi negeri sabah,sabah hanya MENGHORMATI islam sebagai agama rasmi MALAYSIA.

Sepatutnya walaupn hal ini terjadi (70'000 urg masuk islam) ia tida mengganjakkan apa yg telah termaktub dalam perjanjian 20point iaitu islam tetap tidak diiktiraf sebagai agama rasmi negeri sabah dalam erti kata lain sabah hanya MENGHORMATI. if any political want to change it so that mean you need to change MALAYSIA also becoz...this is evidence that signature by the 1st malaysian PM to MAKE malaysia not to become malaysia..

saya sangat heran kenapa nama tun mustapa adalah nama penting dalam pembentukan malaysia sedangkan yang membuat 20 perkara ini adalah idea Tun Fuad Stephens, org yg paling penting pada tanggal 16 september 1963. :hmmm:
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Re: Apakah perkaitannya 20 perkara dan isu agama di sabah?

Postby tiwas » Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:15 pm

kApItAn MaNuK wrote:ya..kalo ikut perjanjian 20point islam tida diiktiraf sebagai agama rasmi negeri sabah,sabah hanya MENGHORMATI islam sebagai agama rasmi MALAYSIA.

Sepatutnya walaupn hal ini terjadi (70'000 urg masuk islam) ia tida mengganjakkan apa yg telah termaktub dalam perjanjian 20point iaitu islam tetap tidak diiktiraf sebagai agama rasmi negeri sabah dalam erti kata lain sabah hanya MENGHORMATI. if any political want to change it so that mean you need to change MALAYSIA also becoz...this is evidence that signature by the 1st malaysian PM to MAKE malaysia not to become malaysia..

saya sangat heran kenapa nama tun mustapa adalah nama penting dalam pembentukan malaysia sedangkan yang membuat 20 perkara ini adalah idea Tun Fuad Stephens, org yg paling penting pada tanggal 16 september 1963. :hmmm:

- Ya, betul..tapi, dari berita yang ditulis dalam tu Utusan, seolah2 pihak2 di SM tidak sedar akan hal ini.
- Sekarang mungkin dorang sudah tau sikit2. Sebab tu berita lama, sebelum isu 16 September ni hangat.
- Atau mungkin juga tidak.
- Saya pun heran juga knapa Tun Fuad Stephen mcam kurang diberi perhatian yang wajar walaupun beliau ada memberi sumbangan yang besar dalam proses pembentukan Malaysia.
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Re: Apakah perkaitannya 20 perkara dan isu agama di sabah?

Postby kApItAn MaNuK » Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:40 am

tiwas wrote:
kApItAn MaNuK wrote:ya..kalo ikut perjanjian 20point islam tida diiktiraf sebagai agama rasmi negeri sabah,sabah hanya MENGHORMATI islam sebagai agama rasmi MALAYSIA.

Sepatutnya walaupn hal ini terjadi (70'000 urg masuk islam) ia tida mengganjakkan apa yg telah termaktub dalam perjanjian 20point iaitu islam tetap tidak diiktiraf sebagai agama rasmi negeri sabah dalam erti kata lain sabah hanya MENGHORMATI. if any political want to change it so that mean you need to change MALAYSIA also becoz...this is evidence that signature by the 1st malaysian PM to MAKE malaysia not to become malaysia..

saya sangat heran kenapa nama tun mustapa adalah nama penting dalam pembentukan malaysia sedangkan yang membuat 20 perkara ini adalah idea Tun Fuad Stephens, org yg paling penting pada tanggal 16 september 1963. :hmmm:

- Ya, betul..tapi, dari berita yang ditulis dalam tu Utusan, seolah2 pihak2 di SM tidak sedar akan hal ini.
- Sekarang mungkin dorang sudah tau sikit2. Sebab tu berita lama, sebelum isu 16 September ni hangat.
- Atau mungkin juga tidak.
- Saya pun heran juga knapa Tun Fuad Stephen mcam kurang diberi perhatian yang wajar walaupun beliau ada memberi sumbangan yang besar dalam proses pembentukan Malaysia.


hal ini mungkin terjadi sbb kurang buku tntang Tun Fuad Stephen,kalo kita pernah terbaca (bukan maksud provok tp ini la yg terjadi)newspaper tntang pameran sabah state archives dmana apabila pengarah pada masa e2 dtanya kenapa teda pameran tentng Tun Fuad Stephen jawapan yg dterima adalah "beliau adalah haft urg puti"..so masalah nya dsini adalah org sabah sendiri kerana tida menaikan nama pejuang HAK DAN KEBEBASAN org sabah pada masa lalu dan hanya menaikkan nama golongon tertentu saja, :shakehead:
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